ORPHIC FRAGMENT 171

OTTO KERN

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SUMMARY: This fragment comes from a Christian author, attacking our religion by interpreting the mythology literally, but saying that the first causes are Oceanus and Tethys and Phanes, and that Cronus devoured his children.

171. Λόγος λα΄ Θεολογικὸς Έ, Περὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος Γρηγορίου Ναζιανζηνού (Oratio 31.16):

οἵ τε παρ Ἑλλήνων σεβόμενοι θεοί τε καὶ δαίμονες, ὡς αὐτοὶ λέγουσιν,οὐδὲν ἡμῶν δέονται κατηγόρων, ἀλλὰ τοῖς σφῶν αὐτῶν ἁλίσκονται θεολόγοις, ὡς μὲν ἐμπαθεῖς, ὡς δὲ στασιώδεις, ὅσων | 152 Migne δὲ κακῶν γέμοντες καὶ μεταβολῶν· καὶ οὐ πρὸς ἀλλήλους μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ πρὸς τὰς πρώτας αἰτίας ἀντιθέτως ἔχοντες· οὓς δὴ καὶ Ὠκεανοὺς καὶ Τηθύας καὶ Φάνητας καὶ οὐκ οἶδα οὕςτινας ὀνομάζουσι· καὶ τελευταῖόν τινα θεὸν μισότεκνον διὰ φιλαρχίαν, πάντας καταπίνοντα τοὺς ἄλλους ἐξ ἀπληστίας, ἵνα γένηται πάντων ἀνδρῶν τε θεῶν τε πατήρ (fr. 168 p. 205), δυστυχῶς ἐσθιομένων καὶ ἐμουμένων.

“Nor do those whom the Greeks worship as Gods, and (to use their own expression) Dæmons, need us in any respect for their accusers, but are convicted upon the testimony of their own theologians, some as subject to passion, some as given to faction, and full of innumerable evils and changes, and in a state of opposition, not only to one another, but even to their first causes, whom they call Oceani (Ὠκεανός) and Tethyes (Τηθύς) and Phanetes (Φάνης), and by several other names; and last of all a certain God (Κρόνος) who hated his children through his lust of rule, and swallowed up all the rest through his greediness that he might become the father of all men and Gods whom he miserably devoured, and then vomited forth again.”

(trans. Charles Gordon Browne and James Edward Swallow, 1894)

Compare Abel fragment 66 n. 1.

Lobeck I 468; Kern De Theogon. 44; Gruppe Suppl. 695.

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