ORPHIC FRAGMENT 103 - OTTO KERN

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SUMMARY: Phánîs (Φάνης) gave Night (Νύξ) oracular ability.

103. (88) σχόλιον Ἑρμείου επὶ Φαίδρου Πλάτωνος 247c p. 147, 20 Couvr.:

ὁ γὰρ τοι Ὀρφεὺς περὶ τῆς Νυκτὸς λέγων ‘θεῶν γὰρ ἔχει, φησὶ . . .’ καὶ

μαντοσύνην δ’ οἱ δῶκεν ἔχειν ἀψευδέα πάντηι.

καὶ αὕτη λέγεται μαντεύειν τοῖς θεοῖς.

“For Orphéfs (Ὀρφεὺς) concerning Night (g) said, ‘For, he says, she sustains the Gods...’ and,

‘And he (Φάνης) offered her (Νύξ) the art of prophecy to bear the truth in every way.'

"And she says this herself, prophesying to the Gods.”

(trans. by the author)

Eundem versum laudat idem σχόλιον Ἑρμείου επὶ Φαίδρου Πλάτωνος p. 150, 9 Couvr.:

ὁ δὲ Πλάτων ὅπερ μὲν εὗρε καταφατικῶς ὑπὸ τοῦ θεολόγου ῥηθέν, τούτο αὐτὸς ἀποφατικῶς προηνέγκατο – ὃ γὰρ ἐκεῖνος Νύκτα εἶπε, τοῦτο οὗτος άχρώματον –, ὃ δὲ ἐκεῖνος ἀποφατικῶς ἀψευδέα (secl. Couvr.) εἰπών· μαντοσύνην . . . πάντων, τοῦτο οὕτως καταφατικῶς εἶπε

‘περὶ ἣν τὸ τῆς ἀληθοῦς ἐπιστήμης γένος, οὐσία ὄντως οὖσα’

“But Plátôn (Πλάτων), the very one who found (it) affirmative, from what was said by the theologian (Ὀρφεὺς); yet this itself has been presented as negative – for he said that the latter was Night, that which is without color – and the latter is said to be purely negative. Oracular ability . . . from them all; this, in this way, is said to be affirmative:

‘In respect to her race of true knowledge, (it is) actually the substance of being.’

(trans. by the author)

et σχόλιον Ἑρμείου επὶ Φαίδρου Πλάτωνος p. 151, 5:

οὐ τὴν κατὰ συμφωνίαν ἀλήθειαν λέγει, ἀλλ' ἥτις σύνδρομον ἔχει τῶι ἀληθεῖ τὸ εἶναι αὐτῆς καὶ τὴν οὐσίαν, καὶ τοῦτο ἔστιν αὐτῆς τὸ εἶναι ἡ ἀλήθεια, ἢ ὅπερ καὶ ὁ θεολόγος εἶπε· μαντοσύνην δέ οἱ δῶκεν <ἔχειν> ἀψευδέαπάντων.

“Not does he say it so as to (simply) agree to its truth, but that in thus comparing the ideas, he holds it to be true itself and substantial, and this being true itself; it is certainly the very thing which the theologian said; for he (Φάνης) gave (Νύξ) oracular ability sustaining the truth of all things.” (trans. by the author)

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